This is What The World Need to Hear Now with Daniel Joseph Gobin

Alex Ferrari 0:00
My mission in this life and in this show, to not only talk about Christianity in in a beautiful way, but also to talk about the truth of it.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 0:09
So everybody else, every other religion, every other person, is someplace between ignorance and knowing the absolute truth.

Alex Ferrari 0:17
What is the self that we are realizing?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 0:19
Well, when we create a thought, even if it's not a strong thought, we are imbuing it with power, energy, purpose, our intent, and it gives us a form. And he says, It's time to reveal more and put it out there. I think it has a lot to do with the world we're in right now.

Alex Ferrari 0:38
Do you believe that humanity is collectively dreaming reality?

Alex Ferrari 1:01
Now, before we jump into this episode, if this conversation resonates with you, please like subscribe and share this with whoever you feel that needs to hear it. Your support helps us keep bringing this information out into the world and helps us awaken this planet. Thank you. I'd like to welcome to the show Daniel Joseph Gobin, how you doing Daniel?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:25
Very good. Thanks for having me on.

Alex Ferrari 1:28
Thank you so much for coming on, my friend. I am looking forward to our conversation. You have walked a very similar path to the one I'm walking in, in the sense of being able to try to discover what spirituality, what the nature of the universe is for yourself by investigating everything and everybody and figuring out what makes sense for you. And that's kind of what we do here at the show. We go down every single path, every kind of tradition, and try to find the core ideas that connect us all. So So my first question to you, Daniel, is, you begun having profound spiritual experiences at around seven. Can you talk a little bit about that when you first started being awakened? Because at seven I was watching Saturday morning cartoons, so I wasn't being awakened at the time, I was watching The Smurfs and Thundercats.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 2:19
So, yeah. Well, it just seemed just a natural thing started happening at the age of seven, which is a very important period in life, because until you're seven, you're just kind of in this dream world. And after seven, you start to discover yourself to some degree. But I was just cutting grass, and I heard my guardian angel talk to me. It was just as clear as a bell, and it spoke with the voice of authority like I'd always heard it. So I immediately believed in it spoke to me about my past lives, my current life. I came out. I had out of body experiences, but I had no idea what was happening, because I had no framework to do it, understand it. My parents knew nothing about any of this. So if I tell them about it, they were a little freaked out, you know, you know, I first, you know, told them I could see the etheric vitality, and they wanted me to have my eyes examined. And then I told them about next time in reincarnation. I want to be this and this, and they want to have my head examined then, you know, because they just didn't understand it. They didn't talk like that. They didn't know anybody to talk like that about reincarnation. And they're looking at me like, What? What's he talking about? How does he know this? So that just went on and on from there.

Alex Ferrari 3:36
That's pretty fascinating. So you're so you were born, not only in a time period, but because, if I'm Was this the 60s, seven, I was born in 1950 1950 Okay, so if you were born in 1950 then you were in the mid late 50s, essentially when this was happening 50. So you might as well have three heads if you start talking about reincarnation. And where were you in the country at the time?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 4:02
Indiana? So, four heads, yeah. So five heads.

Alex Ferrari 4:07
Five heads, essentially you could have been talking about reincarnation back then. Is such as that's very fascinating, because the idea and the concept would have not been in your purview. There's no Hindu shows that you were watching on television in the 50s. So this concept just came out of, literally, the ethereal the vine essentially gave you this information, which is what you're saying.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 4:30
Yeah, it's well, it's in us. You know, all these past lives are in us. So we know it, but we don't know it the personality level, because we're disconnected from the soul, which is a record keeper of all that, but sometimes it comes through to us, right? So, you know, I had past life experiences when I was eight years old.

Alex Ferrari 4:48
So, so you were, you were seeing your past lives when you were eight,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 4:52
It wasn't so much seeing it, it was sort of seeing it, but something would trigger it, and I would just go into this thing, and it's like. Like what I they were talking about, I knew very well. And you know, you'd see later on, you go to a certain place, and you would have a familiarity with it. But this, this first one, just it proved out all through my life, and Daschle was confirmed it. So you just have to, you know, anytime you feel real resonant with person, place or thing. There's some message.

Alex Ferrari 5:24
Well, let me ask you, though it's a seven year old in the 50s, no less, this information is so far out there, how did you even process it? I mean, it sounds like, almost like you had a knowing about it, and it was just kind of like a matter of fact about it, but, but when you start seeing your parents and people around you, start reacting differently. How did you deal with that psychological I got to imagine when your parents are going, Oh, this kid is weird. Let's get them tested multiple ways. I got to believe that does does something to you.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 5:54
Actually, it didn't to me. I just knew they didn't know.

Alex Ferrari 6:00
So you just stuck to your understanding. And you know it

Daniel Joseph Gobin 6:03
Was, it was in, like, in every cell of you. When you have a real deep one like that, it's in every part of you. And it's just like, No one can convince you it's not true, because you really experienced it. It's experiential knowledge. Is what it is,

Alex Ferrari 6:16
Right, which is what a lot of the Masters speak about. The like, if you books are great and as far as leading you towards directions and things like that, but experiential knowledge is the greatest knowledge that you can have, because you have actually firsthand experience with it. So as you're growing up, how are you continuously having mystical experiences? Are you seeing

Daniel Joseph Gobin 6:36
Here and there. It's not like every day, but here and there and do it. And I started to be able to use the etheric energy of the material body, and you know, when I was in high school, or, yeah, high school, and I could enhance it, I started to learn how to work with I still hadn't read anything about it, and it wasn't until college, I started to read something about a junior year in college, about, you know, other thoughts, you know, slowly that led me into Hinduism, and that really interests me. And so I just, you know, studied around Hinduism, and when I got to my 20s, I took off and really started to really like, what's it? What is this stuff I'm experiencing? What does this really mean? And I go around to people and say, you know, do you know? You know, I'd go to guru's mess. Do you know? And finally, I met somebody they knew, and he could explain it all and in such a way that not only did it resonate in you, but he also taught you how to experience it for yourself. And so that's, you know, knowledge is theoretical. Knowledge is one thing. It's very actual. Knowledge is another. And that leads to wisdom. Those two lead to wisdom

Alex Ferrari 7:50
Before we get to to your teacher, because I definitely want to do a deep dive in him, after spending like, 20 years, you know, walking the earth like Cain and Kung Fu. And, you know, studying both Eastern and Western paths, which is the biggest misconception about looking for spiritual like spiritual seeking, because a lot of people, like I just made a quick little joke about, like, your cane and Kung Fu, walking from town to town with a backpack on and, you know, just looking for a new master, a new guru to talk to. What are these misconceptions about spiritual seeking? Because so many people are waking up now at this time in history, and are starting their their search for these ideas, very much like you did. You were a pioneer in many ways by doing this, because in your time, this just doesn't this was in the West. Wasn't happening. Obviously, you didn't run into, yeah, you didn't run into anybody like Bob, oh, where have you been? So what are those misconceptions you think ?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 8:55
First one is probably the biggest one is that what we're seeking is outside of ourself. Everybody goes on the guru hunt. I did. You read it, something in a book, and you keep thinking, if I'm going to get there, I'm going to find this thing and it, but it's it turns out the seeker is the sought. You know, I'm saying the thing that you are is what you're really seeking. And the other side of it is that thing in you, that higher self, if you want to call it, that is seeking you. So it's really a very nice match, once you realize it. And the other one is, I feel very strongly about, is it we get this concept we're spiritually developing? And that's just not true. I mean, it feels that way to the personality, but really what it is, is an awakening. You mentioned the awakening. It's a realization. That's why I call it self realization. You're not realizing the personality self, you're realizing the inner self, this higher self. And it's not like we have two cells. We were one cells, but we have two, you know, like we're dual in one we have a human nature and a divine nature, and those things. Is, you know, for most people, they don't connect. But when you start seeking consciously, you bring those two together closer and closer, and then they touch

Alex Ferrari 10:08
Very interesting. So out of all of the you know, when you started studying the east and the west, what are the mystical traditions that connect the two? Because everyone always looks at them very separately. But there is mysticism in Judaism. There is mysticism in Christianity. There is definitely mysticism and being a Muslim and Islam. But in the West, in the east, it leans a lot more into the mystic with the Yogis and Hinduism and Buddhism and the Tibetans and all that kind of stuff. So it leans it starts off more mystic than the West does, but there is a lot of, I mean, Christianity was a mystical religion prior to Rome getting its hands on it,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 10:49
Absolutely, before they hijacked it. Yeah!

Alex Ferrari 10:51
Absolutely. So what are the connections? And you think, do you think,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 10:55
Well, it's basically the same thing. We're looking for something. We're seeking something, you know, and in person, you seek the truth, and then when you find it, what do you do? We have to really deep dive into you have to start researching the truth. That's why we call ourselves researchers of truth, because we found some thread of truth, and now we really want to go into it. But yeah, it's in all of them. You know, Judaism, like you say, I avoided Christianity because it had been so poorly expressed. I thought these guys didn't know anything. And so I went to India. I went to Hindu Shas and Buddhist monasteries. And, you know, I would learn, and they were good, but they didn't take me as far as I wanted to go. I really wanted to know why? What is all this? And who am I? And what am I? Because those are two different things. And so it wasn't until I met Dr., that he showed us these out of body experiences, these mystical experiences, were in the New Testament, we just hadn't, you know, quite understood it, because of the poor examples that certain ignorant priests have been doing to Christianity. So what you have to do, what this is, what the researchers The truth is, one aspect of it is, it's taken all the 2000 years of religious prejudice and ignorant dogma that's been heaped on it, and just read the teachings and try to penetrate those, because those are masterfully presented, and they really do reveal the process.

Alex Ferrari 12:32
And that's the thing I discovered as well on my path as as I was raised a Catholic and was disillusioned with a dog behind the vision of it, even at a young age. And I started seeking myself, and very much like you, I started to lean more towards the east and started to reject Christianity, because, again, it was presented in such a such a way that it was, you know, I still feel guilty. It's a Catholicism. You're gonna feel guilty, that's the thing. So then I started leaning more towards the east. But after going through the east, I started to go towards back towards Christianity. And now it's been kind of my mission in this life and in this show, to not only talk about Christianity in in a beautiful way, but also to talk about the truth of it, the truth of Jesus's teachings. I mean, I I've stood in front of the Vatican when I was in Italy, and I literally had the epiphany going, this has nothing to do with Christ, nothing to do with like this is all pomp and circumstance. It's all about man's ego and power and control. It has nothing to do with Christ and His teachings and these beautifully masterful, simple, very simple teachings. Do you find that the most profound teachings in all of your journeys are the simplest?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 13:52
It's true. It's and daspolis was one to do this. Obviously, Christ did it. Lot of masters can do this. They put the thing so simply, but it's just like, bam. It really just drives it home to you. And people talk too many words, you lose the power, right?

Alex Ferrari 14:08
I think one of my favorite quotes is by Yogananda, which was Christ died, was crucified on the cross in one day, but his teachings have been crucified for 2000 years. Isn't that? Isn't that? Isn't that a beautiful it's just one of my favorite quotes of his. It's beautiful. So let's, let's dive in a little bit about the way

Daniel Joseph Gobin 14:29
Jump in on top of that one. Please, please, please, go for it. Daskalos used to say this. It's very similar. He said, We curse. They crucified Christ. We are crucifying Him every day in the way we treat other people, because he's in them and he's in us. So how we treat other people is one of the most reflective facts of how advanced you are spiritually, which could say,

Alex Ferrari 14:54
So, you mean, so I can't, I can't go to war and kill you in the name of Christ. That's not, that's. The first way is that what you're saying

Daniel Joseph Gobin 15:02
Basically, I know it's earth shaking, but

Alex Ferrari 15:05
So no crusades is what you're saying. No crusades. No crusades whatsoever.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 15:09
No just, you know, how hard can it be? Love God and love your human fellow, human being. How hard they make it?

Alex Ferrari 15:16
Yeah, treat others as you would like to be treated. I mean, that is as simple and profound as you get. You know, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Everything I can do you can do, and more like these are such basic, simple teachings, but so profound and so powerful. And I got to imagine, you know, when Christ and Buddha and and a lot of the masters of those years was walking around, it would it was similar to you. It looked like they were talking like they had five heads, because at a time, sure, they didn't get it didn't get, yeah, the consciousness of humanity wasn't really ready for them. They are the ones that kind of pushed us and nudged us up and up and more awake and more awake over the centuries. But I gotta imagine. It's so difficult at the time, speaking about these kind of things,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 16:04
Trying to imagine Christ, when he's trying to help the people understand what the kingdom of heaven is. He says the kingdom of heaven is like a woman who makes three measures of flour together with yeast. What did they think he was teaching bakers how to cook? Well, I mean, baked bread. You know, there's a real meaning in that we are. We have a trinity in us, just like the Godhead has a trinity. And our Trinity is spirits, soul and personality and so and with even within the personality, there's a Trinity, the mental body. It's, as the Hindus call it, the emotional body and the physical body. And when those are balanced, you feel like you're in heaven. But most people have got too much head thing going on, or they're over emotional, or maybe over physical. But when you balance all three of them, you're, you know, you're aligned, and you feel that heaven,

Alex Ferrari 16:58
That's, yeah, that's really fascinating, because when you start, you know, I was fascinated growing up with like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I grew up in the 80s, and, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger and sliced alone, and they were all these just muscle bound guys. But as you see them, as they're getting older, especially Arnold, specifically, he's become a lot softer, and he started to figure out, Oh, I must give more. I must be of service more. I must help more. And I'm not sure if it's age that's doing that to him, but most of his career was all about the body, the body, the body, the body, the body. But when the body goes, which happens to all of us, all of us, at one point, you're not going to look like you're 30 anymore, you know? And he was essentially the picture of perfection of the human body. I mean, he was literally known to have the perfect body. And he's had that conversation so many times in public. He's talks about he's like, when I look in the body in the mirror, now I look and I'm like, Oh my God, look what's happened to me. He goes. But most people have never been in shape, so they have no reference. True. You know, when another 78 year old looks in the body like, Oh, I'm in out of shape, he goes. But you've never been in shape, so you really don't know the difference. I know what it's like to have a perfect body for many, many, many years. Yeah, but it's amazing how the how he started to when the body goes, in the physical body starting to go that's when you start getting either mental, or you start getting spiritual, or you start balancing. It starts to balance more, which is what I'm making the point of. What you're trying to say is the balancing of the three. You do feel like you're in awe, because you never see a jacked up yogi. You know, generally speaking,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 18:40
Yeah, there was that Yogi I saw in New York one time who, I forget his name, but he could lift 6000 pounds, and they had this whole apparatus and come under with his feet. He was trying to, trying to prove his strength.

Alex Ferrari 18:53
And I'm not, and I could have, I could have a debate about how Yogi esque that is, how much he's leaning towards the ego. Have you ever heard this? This parable of two Yogi's are at the edge of a river, and one turns to the other one and goes, Hey, I can, I can watch this. And he levitates across the river, and he lands on the other side, and the other Yogi just walks about 20 feet, goes on the bridge and walks across too, and he and he goes, what did you think? He goes, I think that's a waste of 30 years. I could have just used the bridge. Yeah, exactly one leaning towards ego, one leaning towards the path. Very, very fascinating. So let's talk about your teacher, the whale teachings. And that's, that's close. Is his name?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 19:41
Daskalos. It's a Greek word means teacher.

Alex Ferrari 19:44
So tell me about when did you meet him? What is this profound teacher like you obviously were searching. You didn't just walk among them on a Starbucks somewhere. So how did you find him, and what was the feeling when you did find him?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 19:58
Well, I've been around the world like his. Said, seeking for 20 years, and at that point, I had this brother, seeker. We used to go places together, and he called me one day and said, Hey, you want to meet a master? I said, Sure. Why not? He had just heard about daskalos, and at that time, there were no real books here, or nothing was out about him. So we will went. First of all, he told me that it had been invaded Nicosia, Cyprus, the city of where das goes, what had been invaded by the Turks, right? And so there were still green line. People were getting shot. There were car bombs and stuff. And when I heard that part, I didn't want to go. So he said, I'm going to go looking for some tickets. And I, while he looked for tickets, I look for an excuse to get out. So when he called back, I said, I can't really go. I don't have the money goes. I've already bought the ticket. You're coming. And it was like, without any effort, I just showed up on his doorstep. And when the first class, I remember when he started talking about all this stuff, you know, I thought I knew something after 20 years of searching. But what he knew was you didn't know anything, but he you could tell he did. And that was the guy I've been looking for, somebody that really could explain all these different levels, all these different, you know, realities. There are many, many realities.

Alex Ferrari 21:21
So what was it about, you know, I've been in the room with a master or two in my day, a walking master, and the energy that they, they give is something very special. It's visceral, especially for those who are empathic, and especially those who can kind of feel that kind of energy. What was it about him other than his words? Did you feel a presence? Did you because you hear these stories of yogis who their presence and their masters, who their presence? You know, you become a bliss or intoxicated, and you know that's an extreme, obviously, but what did you really feel other than the information you were hearing?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 21:56
Well, he didn't look much different than an old grandpa, and he didn't do he didn't do that. In fact, he he avoided that Guru higher than you kind of thing, and he just was humbly sat in a chair on the same level with everybody else, and he talked. And humility was one of them in this super wisdom was another, but the most important one was his love. I felt with him. And he eventually reveals about how we had been together in past lives. And you know, this is just to carry on what we had known together before.

Alex Ferrari 22:29
So he spoke a lot about the researchers of truth. What does that truly mean? Being a researcher of truth, rather than a believer or someone who has faith?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 22:39
Well, it means you don't you know believers. Okay, I believe in that thing way out there, but a researcher lives tries to live it and make it part of their daily life. That's the big difference. And you keep going deeper and deeper. And so he gave the tools of how to do it. He created the researchers have been around for over 2000 years, but it's only been an oral tradition until daskales and he says it's time to reveal more and put it out there. I think it has a lot to do with the world we're in right now, that we really need this. It was just profoundness about being with him and the love and how he could make you laugh so hard your jaws would ache. He was just, he was everything to me. He was a friend, a teacher, Guru, not a guru, but a master. Like he was like a father. Sometimes to you, he was like a mother, tender. When you do a healing and something on you, he'd be, he'd come like a mother, okay, it's just like he was everything he had. He had the vibration of everything.

Alex Ferrari 23:40
What kind of lineage, or was there a lineage you were talking about that this has been passed on for orally? What's the lineage of that? What is the is there a name for it?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 23:49
Well, it was called by other names in the past, but it's now called researchers of truth. And even though it was an oral tradition, some of us shown up in other systems, like the Rosicrucians, the cathers, you see bits of it, but he was the only one to systematize it. So it goes on oral tradition, just in small groups for all these years. And each researcher, if he could, would take it farther and learn something else and add it to it. So it's been this body of accumulating knowledge. And so it's, you know, you ask the questions and what you're looking for, whether it's in material plane or the spiritual world. But the first guy that did it was, you don't ever hear this was Melchior. The guy called Melchior in the Bible, he started it, and he started it. He also came back around Christ later, and that greatly influenced him. And he started the circles and took it back to his country.

Alex Ferrari 24:48
And this has been is, and this has been origin in Greece. This entire time has it been staying?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 24:52
No, this, this guy was, was a Hindu. He was a Hindu King, that one of the three wise men that came to see Christ. Okay. So he was a Hindu King. Another guy was from what's now Armenian, and the other guy was a Bedouin. So there were three different kings, and I, they did it too, but he, he really did it, and he gave his whole kingdom away just to do this. And the the interesting thing was, and most people don't know this, that in the Buddhist scriptures, and they were an oral tradition too for 500 years, Buddha's closest disciple and attendant, Ananda, asked him one day, are you God? And he says, No, but in 500 years, God himself will incarnate. Well, that was 500 years BC, so this Indian King knew about this prophecy, so he was working on astrology and intuition, and he worked out the time, you know, intuitively, he got the time Christ was born. He left his entire kingdom came across, picked up the other two kings, and they all want to go to see the Christ child. So that's how it starts.

Alex Ferrari 25:57
So is, is that closes teaching very connected to Christianity?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 26:01
Yeah, but it's not the Christianity that you and I knew her, yeah, right, yeah. It's, he called it inner Christianity. But, you know, to be a good Christian, it's the same thing to be a good Buddhist or to be a good Muslim. You know, it's exactly the same thing means to be a good human being, first of all. And what's a good human beings? Which means you get, as you develop, you're developing more love, more wisdom and more strength. That's all it is. So any religion practitioner does that. They're a Christian, they're Buddhist. People come to daschloss, and he would answer their questions in the tradition they were from, and they would say, Well, are you a Are you a Jew? Yeah, I'm Jewish. And they say, Are you a Buddhist? Yes, I'm Buddhist. He would say yes to everyone, because he considered it all the same thing. The only difference is, you know, we're all studying this truth, and you have the Absolute Truth, which no master on earth, no man in the highest heaven, has only that's God, the Absolute Truth. So everybody else, every other religion, every other person, is some place between ignorance and knowing the Absolute Truth. So the thing we want to do when we pick something to follow, I have this way I feel, is we want to pick something that's covered more distance, because some of them haven't covered very far. Some of them have covered really far. So we want to pick one that resonates with us, of course, but also has covered a lot of distance toward the absolute truth. And the Absolute Truth is the relative. So we're climbing this like ladder of relative truth toward the Absolute Truth, and the relative truth is only so much of the Absolute Truth, but it's all like a one thing. It's just different degrees of expression.

Alex Ferrari 27:45
It's a spectrum, if you will. You're going on different different levels of it. So this, okay, I kind of, kind of wrapping my head around it a little bit because it's, I mean, I've been saying the same thing, because I have a lot of people sometimes who ask me to, like, you know, if they're really Christian or if they're Jewish, or if they're, you know, whatever religion or dogmatic religion they're at they what I find fascinating is that they have to believe that theirs is the only way, because that's the programming in their own mind that like, if I'm if my path to God is not the only Way, and you're well, then that just that negates my path, which is not true at all. But they believe that, hence, wars and all the other stuff that that goes

Daniel Joseph Gobin 28:28
And they've been programmed to believe it. You know, they sort of like job security for the priest to say, Oh, those things are wrong. Come with us.

Alex Ferrari 28:36
We can't, we can't have, we can't have talks of reincarnation in the Bible. That's gonna throw throw things out of whack. We can't have that. So let's talk about the teachings of the whale that he talks about, what is, what is the metaphor of the whale?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 28:51
My experience of meeting him was like being in this ocean and nothing's going on. And also, this giant whale shows up next to you, and as he moves, like the currents he creates, sort of take you with him. So that's why I chose that metaphor.

Alex Ferrari 29:08
Is that your is that your metaphor? Sure, the teaching of the whale. So, so he was this giant whale, and you kind of just rode his, his wave.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 29:19
He, yeah, he wouldn't let you ride him, but he, you know, the currents just automatically drew you along if you were interested in this subject.

Alex Ferrari 29:26
Anyway. So then, how can someone living in today's chaos and noise connect with that same oceanic consciousness, if you will, of swimming with the whale, as you put it.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 29:38
Well, I think you have to really take a look at this guy and study what he presented and what he brought forth. And like I said, he took that oral tradition and systematized it. So now we you have not only the teachings, but the practices. The teachings kind of chart the path for you, but it's the practices you do that moves you along that path. So there's many many practices.

Alex Ferrari 30:01
You were speaking about Self Realization. What is the self that we are realizing? It's, you know, that's, that's a very deep question there, like, what question that is the question, what is the self that we are realizing?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 30:14
Well, most people think it's the personality self, but the personality self is constantly changing. You know, you're not the same person you were 10 years ago or be 20 years ago. So this personality, what's the personality made of? It's the sum total of our thoughts, feelings, desires, intentions and action, and those change. So that can't be us, because the real, what's real doesn't change, and what changes isn't ultimately real. So it goes away. You know, your body, you don't have the same body of that little newborn that was crawled across the floor. Where did that body go? It's gone. Every cell gets renewed every seven within seven years. So obviously not our body. You know, it's constantly changing so, but you got to start there, because right now, the inner self is not two cells, it's one cells, but in two natures, they're kind of mixed together, because we all, every once while, have a feeling of something really high and noble, or feel like we're something bigger than this personality with nothing but strengths and weaknesses. So you have to start there and analyze. That's we use the term self introspection, which is one of the most powerful things to be able to separate those two. And then you start to recognize, well, that's my inner self, or, Oh, that's my outer self with full of egotism to doing it. So when you start to separate that, then you, you're, you put your foot on, on really, you're coming close to starting to realize the Self. And it happens in many different levels. But I won't go into all that right now, but there's, there's three different levels, the inner self, we call it, and then the soul self, which is like the pure soul, and then the Spirit. And those it's a very long journey to get to the Spirit. So what is the difference between the spirit and the soul? It's a matter of definition. Really. Imagine this sun, and it's casting out rays of light, and the light comes to an archetypal idea we call the human idea. And when that light comes to that it's like light coming to a window, and that light comes through the window and assumes the shape of that window. No difference between the light on the outside and the light on the inside. But if the square at this window square, it's it has a square shape, so it's kind of a definition, and it's not created, and it's just formed. It's hard to describe, obviously, at that level, but it forms the spirit into through the human idea archetype. And an archetype is like a mold in which many things are made. So there's one human archetype, but many, many, many human beings. But then what happens is every human being has different thoughts, different feelings, different desires. That's why there's no two personalities the same on Earth. Even in identical twins, they are not the same personality because they're using the mind differently and creating their thoughts and emotions and desires.

Alex Ferrari 33:21
It's a beautiful metaphor of the sunlight hitting the window. Because essentially, we're, we're all windows. It's just how the window is designed and what, because the sun is all the same. In other words, the the sun, let's let's call, we're going to get into the meta, deep into the metaphors here. The sun is either God or the higher self or the oversoul, or whatever you what name you want to give it. And then the rays coming through is the or the spirit, and the rays coming through is the soul. But the actual manifestation in the physical form is the window that the rays kind of have to go through to form the sun.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 34:00
The window is the the archetypal idea of human beings, and that creates the form of the light of the Spirit. Let's go to light so the sun, so Sun has the light it comes through the window. It's the same light. It's just taken on a formation now, but when the sun hits the floor now, well, that's the personality, and what happens? If this personality is dark and heavy, it's not going to reflect much light. If this alley, the floor is white, it's going to reflect a lot of light. These high masters, they're like a crystal clear mirror. That's the difference in personalities.

Alex Ferrari 34:38
So let's talk about the masters. What do the Masters do? Because I'm, I'm fascinated with the Ascended Masters, the ideas of the Ascended Masters and all of the you know, Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda, and then Saint Germain and so on, that these masters who walked What are? What is happening to these masters? Even, you know, living. Ones or recent ones, like, like your teacher, Yogananda, is another recent master that walked the earth. What is it about their energy, their vibration, their frequency, that is helping awaken so many souls around them, by their message or by themselves just being in the room with them?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 35:19
Well, they're the ones who have touched on the truth that they're a child of God too, right? So they are on fire. So when you get close to those guys, they catch you on fire. You, they started firing you. Or they enhance the fire that's already in you. That's what I feel about it. Whenever you're around somebody, they just, you know, it uplifts you, they say, right? But what it was,

Alex Ferrari 35:45
So they're lighter fluid, it's like a form of their form of something to either start the fire or enhance the fire that's already inside of you and essentially awaken you more. But on a and I hate to use the word technical, but on a technical level, it's we're all frequency. We're all vibration. That's the nature of the universe. Is frequency and vibration. So but their frequency is at a higher pitch than most walking the planet. So by either being in their presence, if you're lucky enough to be in their presence, or by hearing their voice, or even the vibrations of their teachings in a book that holds vibration as well. I mean, anyone who's ever picked up Autobiography of a Yogi and reads it for the first time, it's like, it's like, you're getting slammed in the face, so much so that when I first read it, I put it away, I was like, no, no, I can't I'm not ready. I'm not ready yet. It took me to my 30s before I can actually read it. So is that? Does that make sense to you?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 36:45
Yeah, but see now you're talking about something very important, called attunement. So when you start to listen to him, you start to feel attunement. So what's attunement? Well, if you take a piano and a harp and put it next to each other in the room, and they're both attuned. And you strike the note, one note on that piano, that same note on the harp will resonate, because there's a vibration coming off from it to the other one that's like a master and a personality. And some are seeker,

Alex Ferrari 37:12
And they're both different. The harp sounds different than the piano, but the note is the same.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 37:16
Yeah, the vibration is the same.

Alex Ferrari 37:18
Interesting. Interesting. Now you were also talking about worlds and realms and things like that. There's a term you've spoken about, the psycho, psychonetic,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 37:29
Psychonoetic. We call it this. It's really one thing, but it has two different states, and you move through it when it's people call it the heaven worlds. You know, Christ said there were seven heavens. Well, where are they? Well, Earth is the first, the psychical is the second. And Hindus call it astral. Same thing. Hindus call what they call the mental. We call no ethical, because no ethical nose is from the Greek and it means mind. And then they have the higher causal so it's the same exact story. So what are the column Bardos, right. These are different realms?

Alex Ferrari 38:09
Yeah. So what are these realms? And how do you can you travel to them?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 38:13
Well, again, it's by attunement and picking up the vibration. Eventually, it's by one mint. But people think of, where are they? Well, they're right here. They're right exactly where you are, and they've been just a higher vibration, and it's like the same. We'll go back to some vibrations experience if you play seven notes on a scale, on an octave, on a piano, and then you jump to the higher scale above it. It's the same notes. It's just vibrating a higher frequency. So these three worlds of existence are right here, vibrating at a higher level. And some people clairvoyance can kind of see through that veil between the two worlds, but it's because it's at a different rate. I mean, you're moving your hand through a psychical world, but just nothing is obstructing you. Likewise, if you were in your psychical body, you could move your hand through material things. I've had that experience where I've walked through material walls because I was in my higher body, I wasn't in a material body. And once you, once you start to have that experience, you start to realize, Well, none of this is as real as we thought it was.

Alex Ferrari 39:26
So So then, okay, I'm trying to wrap my this. I love these kind of conversations, because it starts making me really when my head starts to hurt, this is a good thing. This is a good thing. So what is the difference then? Because from my I've had experiences where I've sat down and I've done astral travel. I've done not out of body experiences yet. I haven't gotten to that place yet, but I've done astral travel within my own meditations, things that have happened to me in my meditations, where visions and other information comes in that there's just no way. I made it up. Just just, no way I made it up, but where I find a problem, where I find a challenge, and I think this is where most people find challenges with this kind of topic, is that you don't know what you're imagining versus what's coming through. So I've been guided to my spirit Council and walk through and I'm like, Is this happening? Am I making all of this up? But the things that are coming through I wouldn't say or I wouldn't do, or I wouldn't even begin to imagine these things. So that's how I'm starting to differentiate between things I'm making up in my own imagination and things that are actual experiences. Do you know, you know what I'm talking about, sure. And how do you make it? How do you tell the difference between the two?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 40:48
Yeah, for me, it's for sure. That's that's happening because we have this egoism is kind of tricking us all the time. It's trying to trick us all the time. So was that real, or is that not real? Sometimes it tricks you into thinking something that wasn't real is real. And sometimes it takes you into thinking something wasn't real, it was real. So for me, I It's the vibration. It's how it resonates in me. It's almost like hand in glove. It fits the other one. Oh, maybe, maybe. But the other one, when I had the experience, it just rock solid. So you just, you just, you just understand. You just, you just like, This is real. It's like, you know, it's like, I was trying to talk about my parents not knowing it, but I knew it so they are their doubt. Did you know? Didn't sway me?

Alex Ferrari 41:32
There are moments in my in my meditations, that I've had, those moments that I'm like, this is absolutely 100% something outside of me. It's a mystical experience, as opposed to something in your imagination, because it just takes a hold of you in a way that you can't really explain. Yeah, you just, I mean, because you can, you can explain a way like, Oh, Master traveling. I'm going through a wormhole, I'm going to another reality, another timeline, or I'm going to visit the future, or the past, or something along those lines, you can kind of intellectually wrap your head around it. But when you have a vision internally, when you're meditating or something, and you are taking hold of it, and the feeling your body gets and everything is so powerful that you're just like, What just happened to me? Like it's, it's a thing that has happened to me only a handful of times, but those times have been so profound to me that I can give you details of every instance of what happened in each of those things, where, in the other stuff, it's kind of dream, almost, dream like it kind of comes in and comes out. Does that make sense?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 42:36
Yeah, it's a little ephemeral, just not solid. But yeah, trust those feelings that you have.

Alex Ferrari 42:43
You've studied so many different walks of spirituality and ideas of it. There's a concept that suffering is necessary for awakening. Is that an illusion of the lower self? Or Is that true, that there has to be certain amount of suffering to awaken.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 42:59
I think it's true. I think it is true. But, you know, because we got to wake up, we're in this dream. It's like somebody slapping you in the face. Wake up, snap out of it. You know, life does that to you, especially when you get stuck right, something will come along and it'll smack you and shake you, and you start to Well, what was that? Why am I doing that? So suffering really serves to help wake up the person, if and only if they respond to it correctly, if they Oh, poor me. Oh, I'm a victim again. That's they lose, right? That one,

Alex Ferrari 43:33
And they're gonna have to go through it again. When you're talking about that, it brought to my attention, or brought to my memory, the matrix, one of my favorite films of all time. And when you are leaving the matrix world, when Neo, you see, I'm assuming you've seen The Matrix. Oh, okay, okay. So when Neo is leaving the matrix, and he's taken the blue pill, and he's taken is a, it's a blue pill. I think I forgot which one it was. I think it's the blue or the red pill, one of the two. I thought. Of the two, I thought it was a red but he would take the red pill. Yeah, exactly. I confused it too. So he takes the red pill, and now he's leaving well before then there was, there was suffering, but it was a different kind of suffering. He was just kind of like not going anywhere in life. He was a hacker on the side, all this kind of stuff. But once he takes that pill. It's nothing but suffering. I mean, it's like suffering to get out of the matrix, suffering to literally be pulled out of the those things coming out of his mouth, and he's taken and he's thrown in and he's eating mush, you know, mush. He's dressed horribly. It's cold. It's nothing but suffering in the real world. When he awakens to what the reality and the truth is, it's all pure suffering, until he learns to transcend it. And then he becomes an awakened one. He becomes a master, eventually, where he can then control both worlds. He can go into the matrix and play with it and manipulate it. And then he starts to be able. Do that in the real world as well. So it's such a and I don't want to go down to matrix rabbit hole, because I could talk about matrix for hours and hours, but does that make sense, as far as what you're what we're talking about?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 45:10
Say, sure, and there's some master I might have even been Christ, but I can't say for sure. Who said if you knew what your suffering did for you, you would pray that it never stop what? It's a heavy one in it?

Alex Ferrari 45:24
Oh, that's Oh, oh. That hit me like a ton of bricks. Oh, man, that's powerful. Because if you look at your life, anytime you've grown, anytime you've made a big step forward, there's been suffering, there's been challenges, there's been a diversity. That's what tests you. That's what tests is your metal. That is what makes you. Makes you the samurai sword, and not the kitchen knife.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 45:49
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Or butter knife, maybe.

Alex Ferrari 45:52
But even, even better, a butter knife, but that's such a part.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 45:56
But just think about this, when you awaken, it's like opening your eyes and you see a bigger picture, more higher truth, right? Well, it may be your spouse left you. You know it's like that wakes you up and you you start to open your eyes. And it's just like if you were asleep and you just opened your eyes to bright eye, bright light, man, that would hurt you. So there's two ways of going. It's only two ways to progress. One is the path of basically suffering. It's a trial and error. You know, it's like taking it on the chin all the time, or the other one is through reason, where you really introspect on what's happening, you play it through, and you start to see it, and you can avoid some of those sufferings and pitfalls. It's not mandatory, and it has to do with how attached we are to our illusions and our ignorance.

Alex Ferrari 46:47
That's a really important one. How attached we are to our illusions. Can you dive in a little bit to that?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 46:52
Sure, it's just like I was saying, your wife leaves your business part, your teacher, you had this illusion. They were something else, but the world woke you up to the truth. Well, that's what's painful. So in our system, you know, Christ says, pick up your cross and follow Me, right? What's your what's your cross? Well, your cross is all this karmic baggage, right? Where you think you're going to follow him to the crucifixion, where the egotism is crucified, and you can't expect to be resurrected as this higher self, if the lower self, at least the egotism in the lower self, isn't crucified. So eventually and it the pain, how painful it is. It's exactly how attached you are to your egotism

Alex Ferrari 47:37
With your journey to find out what was happening to you and all the paths you walked. What do you believe is the biggest misconception of this term enlightenment? Because, obviously the Buddha found enlightenment, but so many people think it's a destination, that after you get there, then you just walk around like Christ and heal people and like, what is the you know, what is the truth of enlightenment? What's misunderstood about this concept?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 48:04
For me, it's not just like this one thing, you have many enlightenments, because enlightenment really means waking up to the true nature of reality. And there's no higher enlightenment than waking up to who you are, because you're a child of God, and when you realize that it's a totally different situation.

Alex Ferrari 48:23
Now, you've also done a lot of work in prisons, yeah, and that's really interesting, because I mean, the souls that are in prison a lot of times feel lost, feel hopeless, literally, feel like they're trapped and they can't get out. Some will never get out. How what did your work like? How did what did you witness during this work that really just like, oh my god, I can't believe that that happened to that soul.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 48:57
One day, I had a very interesting experience in Mexico. They took me to a juvenile delinquent center, and the kids were in there, and, you know, they didn't, they were just there because they didn't have anything else to do. Their captive audience, right? And there was this kid in the middle of the second row, and he sat there like this. He had his hat on sideways, and he was just giving me this skunk eye, right? And I thought this kid, I couldn't read him, but he was just like, I don't know he was really focused on me, but I couldn't quite read him. And when it was over, he came up to me, and he hugged me, and he started taking bracelets he had made off and give them to me. He followed me around the rest of the time like a puppy dog wrote me notes. It really impacted him. I thought it wasn't hitting him, but it really, really hit him the hardest. A lot of them got stuff from it, and then they take me to a big maximum security prison with 300 people, right? And I'm sitting there talking to them, and this guy in the middle of the second row, he has a teardrop, he's killed somebody, right? And he's getting. Of this look like I'm feeling like, I don't know what he's thinking, you know, but after it's over, he came up and hugged me, and he started telling me how beneficial it was the people in the Mexican prisons, these people are open to it. They've been beat over the head with Catholicism really badly, and when they hear the fresh story of it, it's not like that. Christ didn't judge anybody. They didn't make them feel guilty for things. So when they start to hear it's something more, something they can relate to. It's just like they come alive. It was like, I've never seen such a response in an audience, more than even just an American audience who's just not in jail, sometimes they really hit him.

Alex Ferrari 50:41
That's fascinating, because they especially the the Mexican jail, because I'm Latino, and I was raised, it was raised Catholic as well, and and this, this beating of the dogma and all the stuff that comes along with Catholicism that they are, they're so like they're searching. And I think people listening to this conversation, they're searching for truth, and they don't want to turn their their back on Christ, because his teachings were so pure, so much love, from what I've understood from my research, if you know, most Catholics are not following Christ, they're following Paul. You know, I mean, it's, it's Paul, Paul and Mother Mary. No Mother Mary, of course, but no Paul and Paul wrote between Paul and his disciple. They wrote half the New Testament, you know. So a lot of the dogma, a lot of the fear, all that stuff was written by Paul had nothing to do with Christ. You know, it's, it's fascinating, but it's so lovely to see that they were, they were searching, and you gave them the door, and they walked in through it. They did. They really did have a new relationship with Christ's teachings.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 51:54
Yeah, I just went, just couple months ago. Went to another, the same prison, actually, with the juveniles, with my friend, who's a researcher of truth in Mexico, and he gave him a lesson that time. And the kids in there, you know, you think, Oh, they're juveniles, and they don't look that bad. One of them had raped his and killed his five year old sister. Another one had killed his mother. And these guys were loving it. They were just loving hearing this. And they looked up to my friend who was given the lesson, and they you could see the admiration, like, Oh, this is my big brother. He knows the truth. You know he's helping me. So even the well, even Saint Paul said, is the redemption of everything. So even the worst of the worst will be redeemed. That's another conversation for another podcast. How long that's gonna take? How much suffer is different matter?

Alex Ferrari 52:48
It's different matter. Karma. You know, Soul blueprints. There's a lot of soul contracts, whole lot of things going on there. Now, dacolos also described the human being as a living laboratory of the Divine. Can you explain that idea?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 53:03
Sure, we are the divine. There's we're a spark of the God. You know, Christ said it all these Enlightened Masters said we're a child of God, and that he the part about a laboratory is that we use our personality like a scientist uses a laboratory. We study things. What makes us feel that way? Why do I get angry over this? Why do I chase these dreams? Why do I chase that idea? So we're studying ourselves all the time, but we have to use our subconsciousness as like the laboratory.

Alex Ferrari 53:32
He also talked about thought form, creation. Can you explain what that means?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 53:37
Sure, thoughts are things, right? We hear that. But what's it really mean? Well, when we create a thought, even if it's not a strong thought, we are imbuing it with power, energy, purpose, our intent, and it gives us a form. It gives us really a form, a form that we can't see with our material eyes, but clairvoyance. See it all the time. I've seen them. Sometimes you don't want to see them. Some of them are really horrifically horrible. It's God's mercy that we don't see them. And so those things are living, and once they're created, they never die. All you can do is take the energy out and so they don't affect you. That's that's where habits come from. You have this habit of smoking a cigarette 20 times a day or something, and you do it every day, and you do it for years and years and years. That's a hard thing to break, and the only way to break it is take the energy out. You can't fight against it. You'll never win. So these things are real, and they affect everybody. We live in a sea of these thought forms. We'll call them thought forms, daskos and the Sufis call them Elementals. So these things are living. They follow you from one life to another, until they're fulfilled, or you consciously disenergize them. You have to do some karma. Is this a Karma thing? Well, sure. But if this is the mechanism, the actual thing that takes out, you know, you've done something. You've say, I hate that part. Person, but we live in like a dome, right? So anytime you say a hateful word, it echoes and comes back to you, but now it has a form, and that form is the shape of your intention, like, if it's jealousy, it might be a snake or animal or a person, or you can be a person, yeah, yeah, you can see that person's face, yeah. And if you have this strong desire or wish and a thought about, I want a diamond ring, the shape and the form of it is a diamond ring, that diamond ring. So they take these forms on, but they don't, we can't see them. So we think, oh, there's nothing. I just had a thought.

Alex Ferrari 55:35
So these ideas, so let's say alcoholism is something that you're fighting with in this lifetime, and maybe your parents, your father fought it, and before that, your great grandfather fought it, and so on. That's ancestral, almost in the line that you decided to come into. So can you talk a

Daniel Joseph Gobin 55:52
little bit about that? It's genetic, but it's not material. Genetic. It's right, energetic. It's we call them family Elementals. They travel from one generation to another, and it says in the Bible, the sins of the father are transferred down to three or four generations. Well, this is how it happens, through these influences. They're an influence. So now the next kid who but the thing is, you have to vibrate somewhat in harmony for it that influence to hit you, if you're pure and you don't think about gambling or drinking or anything, it's not going to affect that kid. But some kid, it feels, you know, similar vibration that can attach to him and stick with him and then drive him, influence his behavior. But it's only an influence. It's not a possession, but it might as well be his possession, because if then they accept it, but if they do accept it, it's really hard to get rid of, because you repeat it too many times, and every time you repeat it, it gets stronger every time you deny it, like if you want to have a cigarette, just don't have the next cigarette, and you'll win, right? Just one cigarette. Easier said than done, obviously, of course, of course, that's because of the power and the drive of this thoughtful that's attached to you, and it works through the energy aspect of your body,

Alex Ferrari 57:06
So similarly to, you know, generational abuse of people like abusing their kids and, you know, spanking them and all this stuff, where I was raised like that, not an abusive way, But spanked where we choose not to do that to our children. We're kind of breaking that cycle exactly because we've decided, no, we're not. We're not doing that anymore. Trust me, I would like to, I have teenagers. I would love to, but I think every parent listening could kind of feel by that one, but we choose to do it differently this time, and hopefully that breaks the cycle, because there are people in my generation who are continuing the cycle like that for their kids and so on and so forth. So I'm fascinated with the idea of these elementals and these things that kind of haunt you and follow you from from life to life. And there's also, but there's that's we're talking about, the negative ones, but there's also positive ones,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 57:31
Just like there's positive karma and negative karma, it's what it's what you're doing. It creates a thing. So if you sit down and meditate every day, then you have this elemental influence you to try to steal you and center you at certain times of a day, right?

Alex Ferrari 58:26
If you, all of a sudden, can play the piano at seven, you know, beautifully. That's probably something you've brought in from another life, because that's there's no possible way of sending you can learn how to play. You know, Mozart couldn't have learned how to play what he played. He brought that in from another life. Now I wanted to ask you, do you believe that humanity is collectively dreaming reality, and if so, how can, how can we awaken from it, without denying it? Which is the biggest problem of awakening or finding enlightenment is still being here and living in this world and navigating this world.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 59:07
Every human being creates a shell, and it's made up of their thoughts, feelings and all that kind of stuff. And not one person listening to this broadcast sees you the same way or me the same way, amen. So you know that's, that's what's going on. We're all creating our own reality. How many realities are there? How many human beings are there? We all create them. But see, here's the thing, we create our reality based on what we know, so who we think we are, and what we think reality is, and how we react to that reality depends on what we know, then what we know changes. Reality changes for us, and we change with it, because we have new elementals, new thoughts, new ideas, and we learn something mankind's not it's always been that way, and it's that way now, you know, 500 years ago, we. Thought the earth was the center of the universe. 400 years ago, we thought this sun was rotating around the Earth, you know. And you know, not too long ago, couple was 100 150 we thought burning witches was a good idea. It was a good thing, you know. So, yeah, we change. And so our reality changes.

Alex Ferrari 1:00:21
Do you? How do you see humanity moving forward? I mean, you've been, you've been on this planet for a few minutes, and you've seen, and you've seen things change from that seven year old in the late in the late 50s, where consciousness has gone and information has gone and awareness has gone across humanity, people say, Yeah, this is the oh, this is so bad life is going that the world is in chaos. All the political stuff and the financial stuff and the food and every the religion and all this stuff seems to be going out of whack. But I always look at us like we are more evolved now awake, awaken. Lee, more evolved now than I can see us anytime the last, you know, five to 6000 years. It doesn't seem like it, but we were doing like you just mentioned. We were burning witches 150 years ago. You know, I mean, they were still doing barbaric things in the I think the the last, the last guillotine was in France, was still going on when Star Wars was released. I saw that somewhere like they were, they just were about to get rid of it, but they were still executing, you know, death penalty with the guillotine, wow, in the 70s. So there, and there's so many more examples of that through different cultures around the world that we but we have evolved to the point where, like, maybe we shouldn't burn witches, yeah, you know, maybe, maybe women should be allowed to vote. You know, maybe, you know, these kind of things that we've evolved consciously to go, you know what? It's not right to do this or do that. We have a long way to go, trust me,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:02:00
But we've come a long way. You got a good point.

Alex Ferrari 1:02:02
We've come a long way. So where do you see us moving, as far as the level of collective awareness or consciousness going in the next five to 10 years? Because these last five years have been a hell of a ride,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:02:13
I know, and it's about to get even more accelerated, I believe. Well, when, when human beings come to the planets. I think the first caveman, these guys are just like animals. All they're thinking about are the five S's, sex, sleep, sustenance, shelter and survival. They're just animals. But what starts to happen is they have to start to use the mind and develop their consciousness, because something's trying to eat them, and they need to eat something. So both caveman and cave women carried clubs around to fight and to kill things to eat and slowly, slowly they develop, they develop and they move to move through. So basically, what I'm saying is there's five levels of consciousness. This whole thing's about humanity has to go through these five level consciousness to get to the end, and the first level that humanity has to go to is instinctive consciousness. That's what the cavemen were. They were just living instinctually. But then through the experiences, they start to wake up more, and they start to then start to live subconsciously. Human beings, a lot of human beings, live subconsciously. They go to work, they do this, and their life's over, and they haven't thought about, you know. So then we move out of the subconscious phase into the consciously awakening phase, and there's many, you know, steps in that phase. And eventually we move into the super consciousness phase, that's where you can see clairvoyantly, hear clairaudiently, and use the mind in a whole different way. And he does, has many levels too. And when we finally get through that stage, we reach super conscious self awareness. Now the awakening phase. It's a self consciousness, but it's about the little self. But at the end of the thing, when you finally have reached this final stage, and masters have reached it. Dos Pelosi had reached it. Self, super conscious awareness. He knew who he was. He had super consciousness. He could tell you what you said to somebody, not only that day, like earlier in the day, but previous life science, of course, people couldn't prove that one, but during the day that he would just constantly tell you stuff that made you realize he was playing with a lot more cards than anybody else, because he knew what was going on with you. You know he'd meet you for the first time, he had mentioned something from your life back into wherever you came from. So he had that, and that's where we're all going.

Alex Ferrari 1:04:38
What do you think daskalos, daskalos would think about today's state of the world, politically, spiritually, all of it,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:04:46
Well, he had a certain phrase he used to like to say, nothing more stupid. I think he would find this what's happening now is just complete and stupid. But he knows it's necessary to give us the necessary. Experience to come out of this predicament we're in.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:04
So what you're saying is that humanity has to go through the same suffering as the individual does, absolutely sure, in order to awaken and the stuff that we're going through these last I mean, it's been a wild ride since 2000 but it seems like 2012 was a really big, pivotal year, because the buying calendar and that whole thing of switching, and that was the beginning of the new the new era of humanity's consciousness and growing 2016 2020, is from 2020 on. It's just been every year. It just keeps folding on itself, and it just keeps growing and getting more intense and more. Do you see that that's happening in these next five to 10 years?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:05:43
Oh, yeah, I think there's no stopping it now. It started to awaken people, starting to awaken. It's like a snowball. And it's, oh, this is wrong, and this is, this has been a lie, and all that kind of stuff. So it's definitely coming.

Alex Ferrari 1:05:55
Yeah, you see these videos of one of the biggest things that, one of my biggest pet peeves that is happening in the world right now is America's food system. I can't stand what is allowed to be sold to human beings here. And the thing that kills me is, when I'm in Europe, I can eat. I can go to McDonald's and eat, not that I want to, but if I have to, if I want to stop and pick up something. I know when I eat a french fry over there, it's going to be a potato. You know that if you put that, if you put that French fry in a in a bag somewhere, for a month, it's going to decay, it's going to smell and it's going to build mold. Here, that French fry will be good for probably the next five to 10 years, it's insane, but people are starting to awaken to this. People are starting to understand that there's certain things happening to our food system that's unacceptable anymore, when Europe has figured that out decades ago, yeah, no GMOs, no corn syrup. You know, I could drink a Coca Cola, not that I should. It's but as a treat.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:07:00
But you hear cokes making them with cane sugar now, yeah,

Alex Ferrari 1:07:03
I wonder why. Because, because, no, because people are demanding it. And people are like, Wait a minute. Why are? Why? Why are? Why do we have red number seven and and Europe doesn't like, why do we have corn syrup in Mexico? Mexico has sugar. I don't know about you, like we have Costcos in LA and in Texas, where I'm at right now, and they sell Mexican coke. Yes, I'm here. Yeah, they sell Mexico because people want Mexican coke now, because it has sugar in it, as opposed to GMO ridden corn syrup. So it's fat, it's fat. But so that's an example. I use that as an example of things that are that people are just waking up to there, and it's getting and it seems to be getting more and more people are waking up. More people are starting to get angry, and more people are demanding change, more and, boy, I think we're in for a while to ride, like you said, because there's a lot of change that needs to happen and it's a change isn't always pretty.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:08:05
It's not change is not always, but it's necessary. It's absolutely necessary if we're going to go on.

Alex Ferrari 1:08:12
So what? What gives you hope for humanity's future? Because we talked a little bit of people, okay, tell me,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:08:17
I find, I find, you know, I find that there are most wonderful things in anybody, virtually, almost, you know, some people are just so annoying you don't want to be with them. Can't get can't get away from them fast enough. And that's because of their elementals are so disharmonious to yours. You know,

Alex Ferrari 1:08:36
Is that why when you meet is that why when you meet somebody, you just like, oh,

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:08:39
That's exactly it's their because, then you mentioned vibration. Those elementals make an average tone. The Sufi is called a tone. It's their vibration. And it's so out of sync with your earth that you just, I gotta go, you know,

Alex Ferrari 1:08:55
There's a there's a person in my family that I that I that exactly that happens, that person's never done a thing to me ever, and and they married into the family, the distant family. But when I'm around them, I just, I just like, I gotta get away from it. I'm like, it is just visceral in me. I'm like, oh, and again, they're not, they're not like, you know, doing any drugs in front of me, they're not even speaking. They're just just their presence alone, just, I just can't, I can't, I can't do that. And it's fascinating. But that's a thing that's like, it's their elemental, yeah, their their vibration, their frequency, is just so far removed from mine that I just can't even be around them. It's it's pretty it's pretty fascinating. Daniel, where can people find out more about you and the amazing work you're doing in the world?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:09:47
Researchersoftruth.com. Is our website, and we have a just lots of free videos on YouTube through, you know, hashtag, researchers of truth, you. We're starting to put some on telegram or Tiktok, and they're saying there's some on Instagram right now, and we do seminars now. We've just been backed by a nonprofit organization from England, and they're they're funding us, and are helping us develop a school. So we're building this big school with daskalosis teaching so where people can go and listen to him talk, and obviously, read the books, but read private lessons that the public doesn't have, and really study this stuff deeply like we did when he was alive. So we're really looking forward. We're going to launch that next year.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:35
That's awesome. That's awesome. And finally, if you could whisper one message to every soul in humanity right now. What would that message be?

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:10:45
Wake up. Wake up.

Alex Ferrari 1:10:48
Simple as that. Daniel, it has been such a pleasure talking to you, my friend. Thank you so much for your tireless work of trying to awaken this planet and everybody in it. I appreciate you and everything you're doing, my friend. So thank you again.

Daniel Joseph Gobin 1:11:06
I feel the same way about you, my friend, and look forward to meeting you maybe someday.

Alex Ferrari 1:11:11
Absolutely, thank you again.